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= Workshop goals = | |||
* CSEP needs overhaul | |||
= Workshop | |||
* CSEP needs overhaul | |||
* Develop concrete plans to start science/software development on CSEP2 | * Develop concrete plans to start science/software development on CSEP2 | ||
* Driving from new science needs and new models | * Driving from new science needs and new models | ||
* Plans for coordinating developer resources | * Plans for coordinating developer resources | ||
= Workshop Outcomes = | = Workshop Outcomes = | ||
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** Want to develop documents for select new experiments for CSEP2 experiments to drive CSEP2 software developments | ** Want to develop documents for select new experiments for CSEP2 experiments to drive CSEP2 software developments | ||
* Prototype new experiments! | * Prototype new experiments! | ||
= General Thoughts [Vidale] = | |||
* Progress on Basic Science | |||
* Concrete demonstration of progress | |||
= USGS Perspectives on CSEP2.0 = | |||
* Rigorous testing is an essential aspect of developing and deploying all manner of earthquake forecast products | |||
* High priorities: | |||
** UCERF3 | |||
** USGS National Seismic Hazard model | |||
** Operational Aftershock Earthquake Forecasting | |||
** Improved after shock forecasting | |||
* CSEP impacts on USGS Hazard assessments | |||
** Helmstetter’s adaptive smoothing in UCERF3 | |||
** S-test for smoothing parameters | |||
* USGS Aftershock forecasting | |||
** Expanding models to expand epistemic uncertainty | |||
** Developing pathway for new methods | |||
** Improving reliability and skill | |||
** New Models must be approved by NEPEC | |||
* Different models give different outputs | |||
** Users want spatial forecasts and hazard | |||
* ETAS vs. R&J | |||
** ETAS helps to capture variability of the real world. Advantage over R&J | |||
* Testing to hone models | |||
** R&J home parameters and choices (sequence specific, Bayesian) | |||
** Fast ETAS -- applying smoothing to spatial component | |||
* Testing for societal acceptance (how can we get society to accept the results) | |||
* Testing simulated catalog forecasts | |||
** Projects of event sets to form various PDFs, interevent time | |||
** Could be mapped to ground-motion space | |||
* Retrospective testing is very important | |||
* Internal or External or Independent | |||
* USGS Models: | |||
** NSHM | |||
** 1-year induced seismicity forecasts | |||
** RJ Operational Earthquake Forecasts | |||
** FAST-Etas | |||
** UCERF3 | |||
* CSEP2 development strategy needs to be coordinated between international community | |||
** Modularize toolbox | |||
** Unit tests for all CSEP primitives | |||
** Acceptance tests for all CSEP | |||
** Documentation is thorough | |||
= R&J Forecasts at USGS = | |||
* Linked to website at the USGS in beta, currently planned to launch in October | |||
* Workflow: | |||
1. Compute R&J using GUI tool | |||
2. Forecast sent from GUI to NEIC | |||
3. NEIC uses forecast to populate pre-written web template | |||
4. Time to solution goal is ~2 hours | |||
* Working towards automating this process and including more models | |||
* Why R&J? | |||
** Decades of use in California | |||
** Approved by NEPEC | |||
* Testing Goals | |||
** Transparency: demonstrate that we are providing to the public is being evaluated | |||
** Baseline: they can be compared to R&J to measure improvement | |||
** Testing the tests | |||
* Testing challenges: | |||
** Sequence based, rather than grid-based | |||
** EQ probability not necessarily poissonian | |||
** Updating in real-time, overlapping windows | |||
** Spatial forecasts not aligned on grid, and not aligned in time | |||
** Modeling epistemic and aleatory | |||
** Requires looking at simulation based tests | |||
** Overlapping, non-independent forecasts | |||
** External forecasts | |||
*** Test what the public is actually seeing | |||
** Run within CSEP | |||
*** Difficult to duplicate | |||
** Value in publicly testing forecasts within CSEP | |||
* Testing requirements: | |||
** Non-grid-based forecasts | |||
** Simulations | |||
** External forecasts | |||
Experiments for FastETAS | |||
* FastETAS will be implemented in USGS system | |||
* GUI based system that takes ComCat data and produces quick summaries | |||
* Close to ‘vanilla’ ETAS as possible | |||
* Tweak to regular ETAS | |||
** Masking applied to prevent super-critical range | |||
** Independent mainshock productivity | |||
** Mc-dependent productivity for Generic model | |||
** Time dependent Mc | |||
** Spatial forecast: physics-motivated dressed kernel | |||
* Can transition from spatial-rate to time-dependent spatial hazard | |||
* Evaluating forecasts | |||
** Information gain? Not that useful. | |||
** Things to test: | |||
*** Misfit, over/under-predictions, surprise rate | |||
*** Reliability horizon | |||
*** Spatial performance | |||
*** Shaking forecast | |||
*** Shaking forecast | |||
*** Generic vs. bayesian | |||
*** Value of additional parameters | |||
*** Other tweaks | |||
= Testing UCERF3 = | |||
* Requirements: | |||
** Non-GR MFS | |||
** Bulge of ~Mw 6.7 earthquakes | |||
** Fault participation | |||
** MFD near faults has 1st order impact on conditional triggering probabilities | |||
** Elastic rebound needed | |||
** U3ETAS is simulation based | |||
* Questions | |||
** Are near-fault MFDs non-GR? | |||
** Are conditional triggering probabilities really larger near faults? | |||
** Is elastic-rebound needed? | |||
** Dealing with epistemic uncertainties? | |||
** Bulge in regional MFDs? | |||
** Testing simulation-based forecasts? | |||
** Is U3ETAS really more useful? | |||
* Looking forward | |||
** Implement CSEP1 style tests for simulation-based forecasts | |||
** Apply retrospectively to U3ETAS, U3NoFaultETAS, Fast-ETAS | |||
** Apply above tests prospectively | |||
** Implement “turning-style” tests | |||
** Test fault or cell participation | |||
** Epistemic Uncertainty | |||
** Test relative model usefulness | |||
Testing Stochastic Event Sets | |||
* Advantages: greater flexibility including tests incorporating space-time correlations. | |||
* Challenges: May still need gridding of the synthetic catalogs for some applications. | |||
* Consistency tests of simulation-based models | |||
** A wide range of consistency tests is possible | |||
** Example: Clustering | |||
*** Compare a statistic computed from the real catalog with distribution of same statistic from catalog | |||
*** Each time-period results in a p-value; combined distribution can be compared to uniform distribution | |||
** Example: For a distribution | |||
*** Use K-S statistics to compare the synthetic distribution from catalog distribution | |||
* Simulation statistics to do similar job to existing CSEP1 consistency tests | |||
** Mimic N-test, M-test, S-test | |||
** Inter-event time distribution | |||
** Inter-event distance distribution | |||
** Total earthquake rate distribution | |||
** Information gain important | |||
* Synthetic catalog updating issues | |||
** Length of simulated catalogs | |||
** Simulate for the longest period | |||
** Update intervals | |||
* Key decisions | |||
** Data management the most important part of system | |||
** Updating periods and magnitudes | |||
** How much effort should CSEP put into testing models of small-earthquake occurrence? | |||
** Scientific vs operational forecasting requirements | |||
= Future of the NZ Testing Center = | |||
* Uncertain future | |||
* Difficulty maintain the last 10 years; both workloads and lack of appropriate skills | |||
* Significant GeoNet catalogue data problems | |||
* How do we best align with other international CSEP work? Don’t want to split efforts within CSEP | |||
* CSEP Culture | |||
** Perception of relevance to those outside of CSEP need to expand CSEP community | |||
* Need more tests targeting the end-users of the models | |||
* Better communication of the results. How can we include others? | |||
* Take forecasts into hazard and loss space. | |||
* Hybridisation module | |||
** Module to create hybrid forecasts from current CSEP models | |||
* Aim to broaden involvement of science community in CSEP activities. | |||
= Perspectives from CSEP Japan = | |||
* Testing different model classes | |||
* Looking at finite-fault ETAS model | |||
* Hypocentral ETAS model (3D volume) | |||
* Combine 3D+finite-fault model | |||
* ETAS+Focal mechanism | |||
= Perspectives from China = | |||
* CSEP Software was installed in the institute of geophysics | |||
* Definitions for CSEP Experiments | |||
* Software did not work, so needed to create their own homebrew version of the software. | |||
* CN-CSEP needs international collaboration | |||
* New Forecasting region for CSEP2.0 | |||
= Perspectives from Italy = | |||
* Poisson assumption in space and time does not hold | |||
* Models need to include epistemic uncertainty | |||
* Discretization on a grid, might need to stay to engage with many different models. | |||
* Should make changes that affect CSEP 1.0 the least | |||
* Need to move toward synthetic catalogs | |||
* Synthetic catalogs can be used to generate test distribution to replace the Poisson distribution | |||
Latest revision as of 20:02, 26 September 2018
Workshop goals
- CSEP needs overhaul
- Develop concrete plans to start science/software development on CSEP2
- Driving from new science needs and new models
- Plans for coordinating developer resources
Workshop Outcomes
- Science priorities and how software supports this
- New experiments:
- Testing USGS OEF models
- Forecasts of finite-ruptures
- Want to develop documents for select new experiments for CSEP2 experiments to drive CSEP2 software developments
- Prototype new experiments!
General Thoughts [Vidale]
- Progress on Basic Science
- Concrete demonstration of progress
USGS Perspectives on CSEP2.0
- Rigorous testing is an essential aspect of developing and deploying all manner of earthquake forecast products
- High priorities:
- UCERF3
- USGS National Seismic Hazard model
- Operational Aftershock Earthquake Forecasting
- Improved after shock forecasting
- CSEP impacts on USGS Hazard assessments
- Helmstetter’s adaptive smoothing in UCERF3
- S-test for smoothing parameters
- USGS Aftershock forecasting
- Expanding models to expand epistemic uncertainty
- Developing pathway for new methods
- Improving reliability and skill
- New Models must be approved by NEPEC
- Different models give different outputs
- Users want spatial forecasts and hazard
- ETAS vs. R&J
- ETAS helps to capture variability of the real world. Advantage over R&J
- Testing to hone models
- R&J home parameters and choices (sequence specific, Bayesian)
- Fast ETAS -- applying smoothing to spatial component
- Testing for societal acceptance (how can we get society to accept the results)
- Testing simulated catalog forecasts
- Projects of event sets to form various PDFs, interevent time
- Could be mapped to ground-motion space
- Retrospective testing is very important
- Internal or External or Independent
- USGS Models:
- NSHM
- 1-year induced seismicity forecasts
- RJ Operational Earthquake Forecasts
- FAST-Etas
- UCERF3
- CSEP2 development strategy needs to be coordinated between international community
- Modularize toolbox
- Unit tests for all CSEP primitives
- Acceptance tests for all CSEP
- Documentation is thorough
R&J Forecasts at USGS
- Linked to website at the USGS in beta, currently planned to launch in October
- Workflow:
1. Compute R&J using GUI tool 2. Forecast sent from GUI to NEIC 3. NEIC uses forecast to populate pre-written web template 4. Time to solution goal is ~2 hours
- Working towards automating this process and including more models
- Why R&J?
- Decades of use in California
- Approved by NEPEC
- Testing Goals
- Transparency: demonstrate that we are providing to the public is being evaluated
- Baseline: they can be compared to R&J to measure improvement
- Testing the tests
- Testing challenges:
- Sequence based, rather than grid-based
- EQ probability not necessarily poissonian
- Updating in real-time, overlapping windows
- Spatial forecasts not aligned on grid, and not aligned in time
- Modeling epistemic and aleatory
- Requires looking at simulation based tests
- Overlapping, non-independent forecasts
- External forecasts
- Test what the public is actually seeing
- Run within CSEP
- Difficult to duplicate
- Value in publicly testing forecasts within CSEP
- Testing requirements:
- Non-grid-based forecasts
- Simulations
- External forecasts
Experiments for FastETAS
- FastETAS will be implemented in USGS system
- GUI based system that takes ComCat data and produces quick summaries
- Close to ‘vanilla’ ETAS as possible
- Tweak to regular ETAS
- Masking applied to prevent super-critical range
- Independent mainshock productivity
- Mc-dependent productivity for Generic model
- Time dependent Mc
- Spatial forecast: physics-motivated dressed kernel
- Can transition from spatial-rate to time-dependent spatial hazard
- Evaluating forecasts
- Information gain? Not that useful.
- Things to test:
- Misfit, over/under-predictions, surprise rate
- Reliability horizon
- Spatial performance
- Shaking forecast
- Shaking forecast
- Generic vs. bayesian
- Value of additional parameters
- Other tweaks
Testing UCERF3
- Requirements:
- Non-GR MFS
- Bulge of ~Mw 6.7 earthquakes
- Fault participation
- MFD near faults has 1st order impact on conditional triggering probabilities
- Elastic rebound needed
- U3ETAS is simulation based
- Questions
- Are near-fault MFDs non-GR?
- Are conditional triggering probabilities really larger near faults?
- Is elastic-rebound needed?
- Dealing with epistemic uncertainties?
- Bulge in regional MFDs?
- Testing simulation-based forecasts?
- Is U3ETAS really more useful?
- Looking forward
- Implement CSEP1 style tests for simulation-based forecasts
- Apply retrospectively to U3ETAS, U3NoFaultETAS, Fast-ETAS
- Apply above tests prospectively
- Implement “turning-style” tests
- Test fault or cell participation
- Epistemic Uncertainty
- Test relative model usefulness
Testing Stochastic Event Sets
- Advantages: greater flexibility including tests incorporating space-time correlations.
- Challenges: May still need gridding of the synthetic catalogs for some applications.
- Consistency tests of simulation-based models
- A wide range of consistency tests is possible
- Example: Clustering
- Compare a statistic computed from the real catalog with distribution of same statistic from catalog
- Each time-period results in a p-value; combined distribution can be compared to uniform distribution
- Example: For a distribution
- Use K-S statistics to compare the synthetic distribution from catalog distribution
- Simulation statistics to do similar job to existing CSEP1 consistency tests
- Mimic N-test, M-test, S-test
- Inter-event time distribution
- Inter-event distance distribution
- Total earthquake rate distribution
- Information gain important
- Synthetic catalog updating issues
- Length of simulated catalogs
- Simulate for the longest period
- Update intervals
- Key decisions
- Data management the most important part of system
- Updating periods and magnitudes
- How much effort should CSEP put into testing models of small-earthquake occurrence?
- Scientific vs operational forecasting requirements
Future of the NZ Testing Center
- Uncertain future
- Difficulty maintain the last 10 years; both workloads and lack of appropriate skills
- Significant GeoNet catalogue data problems
- How do we best align with other international CSEP work? Don’t want to split efforts within CSEP
- CSEP Culture
- Perception of relevance to those outside of CSEP need to expand CSEP community
- Need more tests targeting the end-users of the models
- Better communication of the results. How can we include others?
- Take forecasts into hazard and loss space.
- Hybridisation module
- Module to create hybrid forecasts from current CSEP models
- Aim to broaden involvement of science community in CSEP activities.
Perspectives from CSEP Japan
- Testing different model classes
- Looking at finite-fault ETAS model
- Hypocentral ETAS model (3D volume)
- Combine 3D+finite-fault model
- ETAS+Focal mechanism
Perspectives from China
- CSEP Software was installed in the institute of geophysics
- Definitions for CSEP Experiments
- Software did not work, so needed to create their own homebrew version of the software.
- CN-CSEP needs international collaboration
- New Forecasting region for CSEP2.0
Perspectives from Italy
- Poisson assumption in space and time does not hold
- Models need to include epistemic uncertainty
- Discretization on a grid, might need to stay to engage with many different models.
- Should make changes that affect CSEP 1.0 the least
- Need to move toward synthetic catalogs
- Synthetic catalogs can be used to generate test distribution to replace the Poisson distribution