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− | + | = Workshop goals = | |
+ | * CSEP needs overhaul | ||
+ | * Develop concrete plans to start science/software development on CSEP2 | ||
+ | * Driving from new science needs and new models | ||
+ | * Plans for coordinating developer resources | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = Workshop Outcomes = | ||
+ | * Science priorities and how software supports this | ||
+ | * New experiments: | ||
+ | ** Testing USGS OEF models | ||
+ | ** Forecasts of finite-ruptures | ||
+ | ** Want to develop documents for select new experiments for CSEP2 experiments to drive CSEP2 software developments | ||
+ | * Prototype new experiments! | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = General Thoughts [Vidale] = | ||
+ | * Progress on Basic Science | ||
+ | * Concrete demonstration of progress | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = USGS Perspectives on CSEP2.0 = | ||
+ | * Rigorous testing is an essential aspect of developing and deploying all manner of earthquake forecast products | ||
+ | * High priorities: | ||
+ | ** UCERF3 | ||
+ | ** USGS National Seismic Hazard model | ||
+ | ** Operational Aftershock Earthquake Forecasting | ||
+ | ** Improved after shock forecasting | ||
+ | * CSEP impacts on USGS Hazard assessments | ||
+ | ** Helmstetter’s adaptive smoothing in UCERF3 | ||
+ | ** S-test for smoothing parameters | ||
+ | * USGS Aftershock forecasting | ||
+ | ** Expanding models to expand epistemic uncertainty | ||
+ | ** Developing pathway for new methods | ||
+ | ** Improving reliability and skill | ||
+ | ** New Models must be approved by NEPEC | ||
+ | * Different models give different outputs | ||
+ | ** Users want spatial forecasts and hazard | ||
+ | * ETAS vs. R&J | ||
+ | ** ETAS helps to capture variability of the real world. Advantage over R&J | ||
+ | * Testing to hone models | ||
+ | ** R&J home parameters and choices (sequence specific, Bayesian) | ||
+ | ** Fast ETAS -- applying smoothing to spatial component | ||
+ | * Testing for societal acceptance (how can we get society to accept the results) | ||
+ | * Testing simulated catalog forecasts | ||
+ | ** Projects of event sets to form various PDFs, interevent time | ||
+ | ** Could be mapped to ground-motion space | ||
+ | * Retrospective testing is very important | ||
+ | * Internal or External or Independent | ||
+ | * USGS Models: | ||
+ | ** NSHM | ||
+ | ** 1-year induced seismicity forecasts | ||
+ | ** RJ Operational Earthquake Forecasts | ||
+ | ** FAST-Etas | ||
+ | ** UCERF3 | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | * CSEP2 development strategy needs to be coordinated between international community | ||
+ | ** Modularize toolbox | ||
+ | ** Unit tests for all CSEP primitives | ||
+ | ** Acceptance tests for all CSEP | ||
+ | ** Documentation is thorough | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = R&J Forecasts at USGS = | ||
+ | * Linked to website at the USGS in beta, currently planned to launch in October | ||
+ | * Workflow: | ||
+ | 1. Compute R&J using GUI tool | ||
+ | 2. Forecast sent from GUI to NEIC | ||
+ | 3. NEIC uses forecast to populate pre-written web template | ||
+ | 4. Time to solution goal is ~2 hours | ||
+ | * Working towards automating this process and including more models | ||
+ | * Why R&J? | ||
+ | ** Decades of use in California | ||
+ | ** Approved by NEPEC | ||
+ | * Testing Goals | ||
+ | ** Transparency: demonstrate that we are providing to the public is being evaluated | ||
+ | ** Baseline: they can be compared to R&J to measure improvement | ||
+ | ** Testing the tests | ||
+ | * Testing challenges: | ||
+ | ** Sequence based, rather than grid-based | ||
+ | ** EQ probability not necessarily poissonian | ||
+ | ** Updating in real-time, overlapping windows | ||
+ | ** Spatial forecasts not aligned on grid, and not aligned in time | ||
+ | ** Modeling epistemic and aleatory | ||
+ | ** Requires looking at simulation based tests | ||
+ | ** Overlapping, non-independent forecasts | ||
+ | ** External forecasts | ||
+ | *** Test what the public is actually seeing | ||
+ | ** Run within CSEP | ||
+ | *** Difficult to duplicate | ||
+ | ** Value in publicly testing forecasts within CSEP | ||
+ | * Testing requirements: | ||
+ | ** Non-grid-based forecasts | ||
+ | ** Simulations | ||
+ | ** External forecasts | ||
+ | Experiments for FastETAS | ||
+ | * FastETAS will be implemented in USGS system | ||
+ | * GUI based system that takes ComCat data and produces quick summaries | ||
+ | * Close to ‘vanilla’ ETAS as possible | ||
+ | * Tweak to regular ETAS | ||
+ | ** Masking applied to prevent super-critical range | ||
+ | ** Independent mainshock productivity | ||
+ | ** Mc-dependent productivity for Generic model | ||
+ | ** Time dependent Mc | ||
+ | ** Spatial forecast: physics-motivated dressed kernel | ||
+ | * Can transition from spatial-rate to time-dependent spatial hazard | ||
+ | * Evaluating forecasts | ||
+ | ** Information gain? Not that useful. | ||
+ | ** Things to test: | ||
+ | *** Misfit, over/under-predictions, surprise rate | ||
+ | *** Reliability horizon | ||
+ | *** Spatial performance | ||
+ | *** Shaking forecast | ||
+ | *** Shaking forecast | ||
+ | *** Generic vs. bayesian | ||
+ | *** Value of additional parameters | ||
+ | *** Other tweaks | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Testing UCERF3 = | ||
+ | * Requirements: | ||
+ | ** Non-GR MFS | ||
+ | ** Bulge of ~Mw 6.7 earthquakes | ||
+ | ** Fault participation | ||
+ | ** MFD near faults has 1st order impact on conditional triggering probabilities | ||
+ | ** Elastic rebound needed | ||
+ | ** U3ETAS is simulation based | ||
+ | * Questions | ||
+ | ** Are near-fault MFDs non-GR? | ||
+ | ** Are conditional triggering probabilities really larger near faults? | ||
+ | ** Is elastic-rebound needed? | ||
+ | ** Dealing with epistemic uncertainties? | ||
+ | ** Bulge in regional MFDs? | ||
+ | ** Testing simulation-based forecasts? | ||
+ | ** Is U3ETAS really more useful? | ||
+ | * Looking forward | ||
+ | ** Implement CSEP1 style tests for simulation-based forecasts | ||
+ | ** Apply retrospectively to U3ETAS, U3NoFaultETAS, Fast-ETAS | ||
+ | ** Apply above tests prospectively | ||
+ | ** Implement “turning-style” tests | ||
+ | ** Test fault or cell participation | ||
+ | ** Epistemic Uncertainty | ||
+ | ** Test relative model usefulness | ||
+ | Testing Stochastic Event Sets | ||
+ | * Advantages: greater flexibility including tests incorporating space-time correlations. | ||
+ | * Challenges: May still need gridding of the synthetic catalogs for some applications. | ||
+ | * Consistency tests of simulation-based models | ||
+ | ** A wide range of consistency tests is possible | ||
+ | ** Example: Clustering | ||
+ | *** Compare a statistic computed from the real catalog with distribution of same statistic from catalog | ||
+ | *** Each time-period results in a p-value; combined distribution can be compared to uniform distribution | ||
+ | ** Example: For a distribution | ||
+ | *** Use K-S statistics to compare the synthetic distribution from catalog distribution | ||
+ | * Simulation statistics to do similar job to existing CSEP1 consistency tests | ||
+ | ** Mimic N-test, M-test, S-test | ||
+ | ** Inter-event time distribution | ||
+ | ** Inter-event distance distribution | ||
+ | ** Total earthquake rate distribution | ||
+ | ** Information gain important | ||
+ | * Synthetic catalog updating issues | ||
+ | ** Length of simulated catalogs | ||
+ | ** Simulate for the longest period | ||
+ | ** Update intervals | ||
+ | * Key decisions | ||
+ | ** Data management the most important part of system | ||
+ | ** Updating periods and magnitudes | ||
+ | ** How much effort should CSEP put into testing models of small-earthquake occurrence? | ||
+ | ** Scientific vs operational forecasting requirements | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Future of the NZ Testing Center = | ||
+ | * Uncertain future | ||
+ | * Difficulty maintain the last 10 years; both workloads and lack of appropriate skills | ||
+ | * Significant GeoNet catalogue data problems | ||
+ | * How do we best align with other international CSEP work? Don’t want to split efforts within CSEP | ||
+ | * CSEP Culture | ||
+ | ** Perception of relevance to those outside of CSEP need to expand CSEP community | ||
+ | * Need more tests targeting the end-users of the models | ||
+ | * Better communication of the results. How can we include others? | ||
+ | * Take forecasts into hazard and loss space. | ||
+ | * Hybridisation module | ||
+ | ** Module to create hybrid forecasts from current CSEP models | ||
+ | * Aim to broaden involvement of science community in CSEP activities. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = Perspectives from CSEP Japan = | ||
+ | * Testing different model classes | ||
+ | * Looking at finite-fault ETAS model | ||
+ | * Hypocentral ETAS model (3D volume) | ||
+ | * Combine 3D+finite-fault model | ||
+ | * ETAS+Focal mechanism | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = Perspectives from China = | ||
+ | * CSEP Software was installed in the institute of geophysics | ||
+ | * Definitions for CSEP Experiments | ||
+ | * Software did not work, so needed to create their own homebrew version of the software. | ||
+ | * CN-CSEP needs international collaboration | ||
+ | * New Forecasting region for CSEP2.0 | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | = Perspectives from Italy = | ||
+ | * Poisson assumption in space and time does not hold | ||
+ | * Models need to include epistemic uncertainty | ||
+ | * Discretization on a grid, might need to stay to engage with many different models. | ||
+ | * Should make changes that affect CSEP 1.0 the least | ||
+ | * Need to move toward synthetic catalogs | ||
+ | * Synthetic catalogs can be used to generate test distribution to replace the Poisson distribution |
Latest revision as of 20:02, 26 September 2018
Contents
Workshop goals
- CSEP needs overhaul
- Develop concrete plans to start science/software development on CSEP2
- Driving from new science needs and new models
- Plans for coordinating developer resources
Workshop Outcomes
- Science priorities and how software supports this
- New experiments:
- Testing USGS OEF models
- Forecasts of finite-ruptures
- Want to develop documents for select new experiments for CSEP2 experiments to drive CSEP2 software developments
- Prototype new experiments!
General Thoughts [Vidale]
- Progress on Basic Science
- Concrete demonstration of progress
USGS Perspectives on CSEP2.0
- Rigorous testing is an essential aspect of developing and deploying all manner of earthquake forecast products
- High priorities:
- UCERF3
- USGS National Seismic Hazard model
- Operational Aftershock Earthquake Forecasting
- Improved after shock forecasting
- CSEP impacts on USGS Hazard assessments
- Helmstetter’s adaptive smoothing in UCERF3
- S-test for smoothing parameters
- USGS Aftershock forecasting
- Expanding models to expand epistemic uncertainty
- Developing pathway for new methods
- Improving reliability and skill
- New Models must be approved by NEPEC
- Different models give different outputs
- Users want spatial forecasts and hazard
- ETAS vs. R&J
- ETAS helps to capture variability of the real world. Advantage over R&J
- Testing to hone models
- R&J home parameters and choices (sequence specific, Bayesian)
- Fast ETAS -- applying smoothing to spatial component
- Testing for societal acceptance (how can we get society to accept the results)
- Testing simulated catalog forecasts
- Projects of event sets to form various PDFs, interevent time
- Could be mapped to ground-motion space
- Retrospective testing is very important
- Internal or External or Independent
- USGS Models:
- NSHM
- 1-year induced seismicity forecasts
- RJ Operational Earthquake Forecasts
- FAST-Etas
- UCERF3
- CSEP2 development strategy needs to be coordinated between international community
- Modularize toolbox
- Unit tests for all CSEP primitives
- Acceptance tests for all CSEP
- Documentation is thorough
R&J Forecasts at USGS
- Linked to website at the USGS in beta, currently planned to launch in October
- Workflow:
1. Compute R&J using GUI tool 2. Forecast sent from GUI to NEIC 3. NEIC uses forecast to populate pre-written web template 4. Time to solution goal is ~2 hours
- Working towards automating this process and including more models
- Why R&J?
- Decades of use in California
- Approved by NEPEC
- Testing Goals
- Transparency: demonstrate that we are providing to the public is being evaluated
- Baseline: they can be compared to R&J to measure improvement
- Testing the tests
- Testing challenges:
- Sequence based, rather than grid-based
- EQ probability not necessarily poissonian
- Updating in real-time, overlapping windows
- Spatial forecasts not aligned on grid, and not aligned in time
- Modeling epistemic and aleatory
- Requires looking at simulation based tests
- Overlapping, non-independent forecasts
- External forecasts
- Test what the public is actually seeing
- Run within CSEP
- Difficult to duplicate
- Value in publicly testing forecasts within CSEP
- Testing requirements:
- Non-grid-based forecasts
- Simulations
- External forecasts
Experiments for FastETAS
- FastETAS will be implemented in USGS system
- GUI based system that takes ComCat data and produces quick summaries
- Close to ‘vanilla’ ETAS as possible
- Tweak to regular ETAS
- Masking applied to prevent super-critical range
- Independent mainshock productivity
- Mc-dependent productivity for Generic model
- Time dependent Mc
- Spatial forecast: physics-motivated dressed kernel
- Can transition from spatial-rate to time-dependent spatial hazard
- Evaluating forecasts
- Information gain? Not that useful.
- Things to test:
- Misfit, over/under-predictions, surprise rate
- Reliability horizon
- Spatial performance
- Shaking forecast
- Shaking forecast
- Generic vs. bayesian
- Value of additional parameters
- Other tweaks
Testing UCERF3
- Requirements:
- Non-GR MFS
- Bulge of ~Mw 6.7 earthquakes
- Fault participation
- MFD near faults has 1st order impact on conditional triggering probabilities
- Elastic rebound needed
- U3ETAS is simulation based
- Questions
- Are near-fault MFDs non-GR?
- Are conditional triggering probabilities really larger near faults?
- Is elastic-rebound needed?
- Dealing with epistemic uncertainties?
- Bulge in regional MFDs?
- Testing simulation-based forecasts?
- Is U3ETAS really more useful?
- Looking forward
- Implement CSEP1 style tests for simulation-based forecasts
- Apply retrospectively to U3ETAS, U3NoFaultETAS, Fast-ETAS
- Apply above tests prospectively
- Implement “turning-style” tests
- Test fault or cell participation
- Epistemic Uncertainty
- Test relative model usefulness
Testing Stochastic Event Sets
- Advantages: greater flexibility including tests incorporating space-time correlations.
- Challenges: May still need gridding of the synthetic catalogs for some applications.
- Consistency tests of simulation-based models
- A wide range of consistency tests is possible
- Example: Clustering
- Compare a statistic computed from the real catalog with distribution of same statistic from catalog
- Each time-period results in a p-value; combined distribution can be compared to uniform distribution
- Example: For a distribution
- Use K-S statistics to compare the synthetic distribution from catalog distribution
- Simulation statistics to do similar job to existing CSEP1 consistency tests
- Mimic N-test, M-test, S-test
- Inter-event time distribution
- Inter-event distance distribution
- Total earthquake rate distribution
- Information gain important
- Synthetic catalog updating issues
- Length of simulated catalogs
- Simulate for the longest period
- Update intervals
- Key decisions
- Data management the most important part of system
- Updating periods and magnitudes
- How much effort should CSEP put into testing models of small-earthquake occurrence?
- Scientific vs operational forecasting requirements
Future of the NZ Testing Center
- Uncertain future
- Difficulty maintain the last 10 years; both workloads and lack of appropriate skills
- Significant GeoNet catalogue data problems
- How do we best align with other international CSEP work? Don’t want to split efforts within CSEP
- CSEP Culture
- Perception of relevance to those outside of CSEP need to expand CSEP community
- Need more tests targeting the end-users of the models
- Better communication of the results. How can we include others?
- Take forecasts into hazard and loss space.
- Hybridisation module
- Module to create hybrid forecasts from current CSEP models
- Aim to broaden involvement of science community in CSEP activities.
Perspectives from CSEP Japan
- Testing different model classes
- Looking at finite-fault ETAS model
- Hypocentral ETAS model (3D volume)
- Combine 3D+finite-fault model
- ETAS+Focal mechanism
Perspectives from China
- CSEP Software was installed in the institute of geophysics
- Definitions for CSEP Experiments
- Software did not work, so needed to create their own homebrew version of the software.
- CN-CSEP needs international collaboration
- New Forecasting region for CSEP2.0
Perspectives from Italy
- Poisson assumption in space and time does not hold
- Models need to include epistemic uncertainty
- Discretization on a grid, might need to stay to engage with many different models.
- Should make changes that affect CSEP 1.0 the least
- Need to move toward synthetic catalogs
- Synthetic catalogs can be used to generate test distribution to replace the Poisson distribution